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A workshop mistake took place yesterday on my 997.2 S.

 

I had the clutch fluid (Pentosin FFL3) changed last month at six years. On the annual service I asked for the transmission oil in the gear compartment to be changed as well. They put Pentosin FFL3 again instead of the 75W90 Mobil Lube due to a workshop mix-up!!!!!

 

I discovered the mistake by looking at the part number on the invoice but only after I drove for 100 km. The gearbox will be drained and flushed and filled with the proper lubricant.

 

BUT should i worry about premature gear wear because i drove with the wrong fluid in the gear compartment? Your views please will be appreciated!

 

If the gear box was not exposed to heavy loads or high temps, you are probably fine.  I would make the suggestions to re-change the gear box oil again in about 500-1K miles, just to make sure all of the wrong fluid is flushed out of the system.

 

The Pentosin product is a hydraulic fluid, not a high shear lubricant which is what the gear oil is.  As long as nothing was galled or bearings overloaded during the mix-up, and all of the Pentosin is flushed out, the gear box should be OK.

 

Thank you for your reply and your recommendation for re-changing the oil.

The ambient temperature was around 18 centigrade. During my 100 km drive I used high revs and sequential changes several times, but it wasn't as if I was racing.

Would any potential damage show immediately or would this appear after a long time?

A workshop mistake took place yesterday on my 997.2 S, PDK.

I had the clutch fluid (Pentosin FFL3) in the PDK Clutch compartment changed last month at six years. On the annual service I asked for the transmission oil in the gear compartment to be changed as well. They put Pentosin FFL3 again instead of the 75W90 Mobil Lube due to a workshop mix-up!!!!!

I discovered the mistake by looking at the lubricant part number and the on the invoice but only after I drove for 100 km. The gearbox will be drained and flushed and filled with the proper lubricant.

BUT should i worry about premature gear wear because i drove with the wrong fluid in the gear compartment? Your views please will be appreciated!

Noise only heard when top down and is not coming from inside car.

Adjust the front trunk cover so that it is slightly below bumper and the whistling noise will go.

I just tried to order a 2010 Carrera 2S and was told that all the 2010 output has been sold. So I am looking at 2011 which I am told can be ordered for delivery in a couple of months. The dealer says he will have firm pricing next week. However, I can't find out much on the differences between the two model years. I can find internet references to a 998 model but that seems to be a year off at least. Can anyone shed some light on the differences between '10 and '11? Thanks.

I've got a 4 page Porsche document I could e-mail to you.

Basically, Some options will be made standard and a third radiator on PDK cars. The rest are new colours and cosmetic changes for the steering wheels.

me too. The new wheel is a big improvement, looks fantastic, is a bit thicker in some places and the paddle operation is smooth.

One thing to know. In '09 PDK cars the retrofit will still work fine except for the little indicators (sport plus, launch control) on the steering wheel which remain inactive..

Mine is a 2009 model (manufactured 12/2008) and the sport and sport plus displays light up (left spoke). I was told that the LC display (right spoke) only works on 2010 cars.

Not a 997 but my dealer told me the new paddle wheel would fit my 09 CS PDK. I have one on order. Could it be that Porsche is using intelligent cross platform sourcing?

I've had it retrofitted last week. It works very well and it is a great improvement most of all because the shape and size of the paddle wheel is more ergonomic than the original.

I paid 970 Euro fitted.

Nothing at all!

Has anybody tried to put the new 10' TT PDK paddle shift steering wheel in a 09' Non TT PDK car? Porsche has no info from Germany as to whether this will work or not. Our customer doesn't want to spend the money to be the trial and error man.

Porsche as from this month offer this as a retrofit item from Tequipment. It's a straight swap but you need the PIWIS to activate certain things.

My car reads zero when the key on and the engine off. I suspect your oil pressure sensor needs replacing.

Engine off: Zero for sure

Engine on: approximately 1 bar for 1000 revs

Also, the new sport exhaust tips have an interesting kind of high tech look with a pipe inside outer pipe with diagonal cut and two tone colors. I posted a picture on my thread of a few days ago. Very nice.

Why not the Porsche Sport Exhaust? Switchable and within the warranty.

Is anyone else having to re-access their Cayenne replacement? I was all set to order an 11' when they were released to replace my current S. I must be one of the few owners that use its off-road capability... Without low-range it just won't do.....

I've been waiting for information on the new model release before deciding what year to purchase. Did you find this info on Porsches website?

Low range and locking diffs are expected to be optional (like on the current Mercedes ML). Rumour is that on the normal cars PDK will be used whereas the off-road optioned cars will be fitted with a torque converter automatic.

P1128 Oxygen Sensing Adaptation Area 2 (Cylinders 1 - 3) - Rich Threshold

P1130 Oxygen Sensing Adaptation Area 2 (Cylinders 4 - 6) - Rich Threshold

The DME thinks you are running too lean and it made the mixture as rich as it can and it is still too lean.

This means you have an air leak.

Either a fitting on or around the throttle body, or a bad AOS, oil filler tube, oil filler cap, or AOS bellows.

You need to do some further investigating...

Most probably faulty MAF sensor. That was the problem on a 986 I used to own.

The telephone module (option 666) works readily with phones with SIM Access Profile (SAP). Such phones are several Nokia and Blackberry models shown on the Porsche web-site.

Check them out here:

http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/Bluetooth_uk.pdf

For other phones to function some change of settings is required using PIWIS and in the case of those phones not all functions are available but still you can make and receive calls using PCM and the MF steering wheel if you got one.

No other hardware is required unless you wish to order the wireless handset in order to make calls in privacy avoiding the loudspeaker.

It all comes down to whether your present options have the wiring already needed for the option - if not, it will be real expensive and some dealers won't do it.

Ask your dealer for a quote - and make sure you are sitting down when you read it. ;)

I know someone who has had a MF wheel installed on a 997.1 Turbo. The job was not a straightforward retrofit, it required improvisation on the electrics and was done by an independent workshop. The technician who did it told me it was difficult.

I don't think OPC would do it if it's not in the book and the car under warranty.

Same thing for me, probably even less than 95%. I can't think of any relation between a water tank replacement and gas indicator though.

When I had a MY00 986, it started doing that as the car was getting older.

I had a habit then of filling to an amount of money and so the tank was seldom 100% full. Perhaps the floater inside the tank gradually started getting stuck as it was not going above a certain level.

After I started filling up to "Full" for a few times, it normalized.

Am looking at a C2S on the lot with PDK but no Sport chrono. Would like some opinions on value of Sport chrono. Truthfully I dont like the clock on dash so thats good. The launch control is fun ( tried it on another car ) but think unless Im on the track (no plans to be ) this is a short term novelty.

My main concern is the value in the remapping of throttle response and shift points. And also this added adjustments of A/C lights .....?????

Is there some automatic remapping of throttle response during spirited driving ?

I guess to sum up, If im driving in Manual mode is there much difference between this and auto with sport plus button on ?

Thanks

Please don't buy the car without Sport Chrono Plus. The clock is a small sacrifice for what you get in terms of throttle remapping in Sport Mode. Big difference compared to standard mode. In Sport Plus the throttle mapping doesn't change from Sport, only the gear changes in Auto. Also you will find that in many occasions it will be more efficient to use Auto mode rather than Manual and in those cases you will lose the Sport and Sport Plus transmission remapping. I've never used the LC myself because I find it a gimmick. I've used it on the test car but I don't care to use it on my car. The other functions (locks, lights etc) are also nice to have but not so crucial.

If you put the quantity according to the manual it ends up overfilled. Perhaps the oil cannot be 100% drained.

I specifically ask them for 7 liters only during an oil and filter change, which is safe, and I top up later accordingly if required.

I was at the workshop of an Independent last week ansd I saw 2 engines from 996 FLs with Intermediate Shaft Failure one of which was X51.

So, it's not only MY05.

Good thing they do away with this Shaft on the DFI engines. I'm sure though that something else will come up!

997/2 and Cayenne with DFI engine use approx. the same quantity of oil as the Turbo engines, which is various with driving style and conditions, between 0.500 grams and 1.250 gram per 1.000 KM.

Thanks for your reply. This means that the high consumption won't go away as the engine is run in?

How much is 0.500 grams in terms of litres?

My car uses a lot of oil compared to any other car I have owned.

I've done 12.000kms now and I need to add oil every week in order to keep the level between min and max.

The official line from the dealer is that it will normalize in time as the engine is run in, which I don't see happening. Some other 997.2 owners have reported the same.

Any views amongst you?

Thanks!

What a properly engineered performance exhaust system does, basically, is trade off torque for peak horsepower. So it doesn't "add" horsepower per se, but it can change the way an engine makes power. A good one is not just about noise, but neither is it particularly useful for the way most people drive, beyond the sound.

Could you please elaborate on your explanation.

They've read the Fault Codes at the workshop.

P0176D: 3rd gear engagement block or gear skip

P1990: positive torque intervention not possible.

These codes could come up for a number of reasons (hydraulics, transmission etc) but since the car operates well they concluded it was a software/elctronic problem. They will format the PDK control unit and reload the software (new version if available).

I've had my first PDK glitch a few days ago at 11.000kms.

As I was going on a dual carriageway at some 80 km/h a message appeared on the OBC "transmission emergency run" with a symbol in white letters. The car felt somewhat different but until I realized what was going on I had to stop at a busy roundabout. As I was stopped I totally lost drive and the gear indication went blank. In the meantime the traffic started moving behind me and I was lucky not to get bumped!

I tried to move the lever in Manual and back to Auto with no effect. Then I switched the engine off and on again and the message disappeared and all has been normal since then.

I covered some 500kms since then without any problem at all.

Anyone has experienced something similar?

Sequential racing gearboxes are, and works, complete different than PDK. The only equation is sequential shifting, but the Tiptronic do the same and is, again another different system. The currently used PDK is even not able to manage the high torque of the Turbo.

The Panamera Turbo PDK will handle the 700Nm! Not enough?

Honestly after driving my new car with PDK (my first car without a clutch pedal) I will never go back to manual. It is a win-win situation on all grounds, but make sure you order the Sport Chrono Plus to get all 3 PDK modes instead of just 1.