Jump to content

The RennTech.org community is Member supported!  Please consider an ANNUAL donation to help keep this site operating.
Click here to Donate

Welcome to RennTech.org Community, Guest

There are many great features available to you once you register at RennTech.org
You are free to view posts here, but you must log in to reply to existing posts, or to start your own new topic. Like most online communities, there are costs involved to maintain a site like this - so we encourage our members to donate. All donations go to the costs operating and maintaining this site. We prefer that guests take part in our community and we offer a lot in return to those willing to join our corner of the Porsche world. This site is 99 percent member supported (less than 1 percent comes from advertising) - so please consider an annual donation to keep this site running.

Here are some of the features available - once you register at RennTech.org

  • View Classified Ads
  • DIY Tutorials
  • Porsche TSB Listings (limited)
  • VIN Decoder
  • Special Offers
  • OBD II P-Codes
  • Paint Codes
  • Registry
  • Videos System
  • View Reviews
  • and get rid of this welcome message

It takes just a few minutes to register, and it's FREE

Contributing Members also get these additional benefits:
(you become a Contributing Member by donating money to the operation of this site)

  • No ads - advertisements are removed
  • Access the Contributors Only Forum
  • Contributing Members Only Downloads
  • Send attachments with PMs
  • All image/file storage limits are substantially increased for all Contributing Members
  • Option Codes Lookup
  • VIN Option Lookups (limited)

White face gauges/ Will this part work in my car?

Go to solution Solved by av8sky,

Recommended Posts

I have a 2003 996 C2 Cab. I would like to put white face gauges on it. Stickers do not appeal to me. Opening up the cluster to replace the faces sounds scary (if I go this route I will send it out to be done). I located a used cluster at a dismantler part number 996 641 984 93 it is out of an 02 turbo(6spd). My question is will it work in my car? Do I need PIWIS do reprogram it for my car or can I do this with my durametric? If you converted your car to white faces How did you do it? Did you have any problems? Looking for opinions and options. Thank you in advance.


Link to post
Share on other sites
    You can remove these ads by becoming a Contributing Member.


I'm no expert, but I've been into my instrument cluster several times, it's not that hard... Just take your time, keep track of which screws goes where. However, I had an occasion to remove my speedo face to get to the cruise control LED and I got stopped because I couldn't get the needle/pointer off. I decided that I wasn't going to use any more muscle and gave it up at that point. I ended up sending off the cluster to the speedo man to do what I wanted.

Let's see what some others have to say, but I think before I would do this I would pay North Hollywood Speedo or Palo Alto speedo to do this. You screw something up and then you'll spend more money having the repair done.

If you decide removing the cluster and opening it up to expose the instrument faces is pretty easy. Maybe someone will chime in on the needle/pointer removal. If you have any questions on how to get the cluster out or open up the instrument package, let me know and I'll see if I can give you some pointers.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Providing that both clusters are for auto (or manual) transmission, and both are post 2001 (with the 200mph speedo) then you should be able to swap them without issue. The only coding options with PST2 (if I remember correctly) relate to cruise control fitted or not, OBC enabled or not. I have changed my cluster a number of times for various reasons including a desire to have white dials like yourself.

Having said that, I have never fitted a turbo cluster and don't know if there is anything particularly unique about that type.

Pulling the needles off is fiddly and awkward, I have done this and it involved a lot of swearing and cursing......

Paul G

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Admin

Um... the Turbo cluster will have Boost whereas the 996 cluster will not.

You may still need a Porsche PST2 or PIWIS to set the options for your car - and - you can not change the mileage on the cluster once the cluster has passed 52 miles. So you may need some legal paperwork if you ever sell the car.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Solution

Thanks for all the replies. I am thinking the best solution would be to buy the white faces and send them along with my cluster to Palo Alto speedo shop and let them put them on and recalibrate everything. The mileage thing is definitely not something I want to mess with. Thanks again.


Link to post
Share on other sites

Palo Alto Speedo did mine and checked the calibration on everything as well. I guess the 99 faces have a peel and stick backing and I wanted no part of that! I dropped the cluster off and picked it up and I think it was $280. I tried to go with a 2000MY Tip cluster off ebay that advertised it would fit a 99 tip as well but found that although the cluster was physically identical two of the three female sockets on the new cluster physically wouldn't mate with the male plugs on my car. The pin arrangements looked the same but the alignment tabs weren't. The seller tried to get me to shave the male plugs to make them work but I wasn't going to mess with that.

I went with the alu look faces from NRauto. When I first got them I was hesitant to have them installed because they looked kind of cheap but that concern went away after they were in the cluster, they looked great! I asked the owner at PA speedo what he thought of the NR vs the FVD and he said he has done a buttload of both and the only difference he saw was an appearance difference at night when illuminated. I guess the NR bleeds the back lighting a bit more which I can verify. It's not that bad IMHO so is no big deal to me. The NR faces are a lot cheaper.

Edited by RD996
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Similar Content

    • By Michael hurta
      Hi - 2002 996: Scoured the lists but can't find this particular cluster problem anywhere.  In short, my salvage cluster shows a list of errors on start up but my original was fine....  Here's the details.  My current cluster shows an intermittent airbag failure warning on the led screen followed by the idiot light.  It usually occurs at start up, clears at the stalk and the idiot light remains on, but flickers on occasion.  My mechanic had ruled out everything he could related to the airbag warnings and since he didn't have a spare cluster, couldn't swap to test for that. I personally purchased a salvage cluster, removed the battery terminals, installed it and it came to life (I'm also having to buy replacement connector housings because mine disintegrated).  The problem is the info screen pretty much scrolled through a variety of issues like oil pressure feedback, temp feedback, fuel feedback, etc.  The oil pressure gage was also unresponsive.  I expected the odometer to be wrong, but didn't expect all the errors.  I also started the car and while it ran, it did run rough, sputtered a bit.  Do I have a bad salvaged cluster?  Does the cluster need to be programmed (beside the odometer)?  
    • By Radu Danes
      I own a 2,5 liter, Manual transmssion, 97 Boxster. It is a Left wheel drive.
      recently I have renewed all its interior so the car was taken apart.
      Problem is : instrument cluster has the following issues:
      - brake warning ON - car has New break pads
      - no outside temeperature reading
      - no lights for the blinker and long beam - they all work, but I can't see it in the cluster.
      - water temperature needle(indicator) and fuel indicator - Do not budge although I have a full tank and I can hear the vents starting to cool the engine.
      We ran some diagnosis but we could not find any fault - the tester said at some point that the ECU does not "see" the features but then again, when we ran a Check on each of them, tester confirmed no flaws.
      Note : the instrument cluster was changed last Year, WORLD flawlessly, so... no reason for it to Not work...
      Please help.
    • By Kim
      After 15 years and 150,000 miles, I switched on my 2000 C2 Cab yesterday and saw the clock was not visible. I can find no fuse that is dedicated to the clock ... only various "interment console" fuses that mention several items each. Everything else seems to be working normally.
      Has anyone had experience with this issue?
    • By TNMUP18
      Hi all,
      I've seen older posts on the this topic and only recently have repaired mine on my 03 Cayenne S. The sound indicators in the car began to weaken and then finally stopped altogether. I have driven it almost a year without the sound.
      I've found a company that actually sells the same speaker for replacement, so no soldering in a new speaker that may or may not fit. It's plug and play. They sell just the speaker, or the full kit (with tools). Worked GREAT.
      Here's their site:
      The official Porsche instructions for removing the cluster aren't quite complete - these guys have a guide with photos that walk you though the removal. Seems a bit daunting at first because you have to remove some trim and move some dash pieces out of the way, but if you take your time and don't break anything it was quite easy.
      Jeff was great - quick email, quick ship, even quick follow up.
      Good luck all.
    • By texanz71
      I have an unusual buzzing noise coming from the instrument cluster area on my 2000 Carrera 4 with white dials. I know there is a TSB from Porsche but it seems like it is for the 997's. I can not tell if it is air related or from an electronic buzzer.
      The buzzing noise occurs at about 75MPH and above. It is inconsistent, sometimes it will start at 75MPH and other times at 83 or 85 MPH. Based on the inconsistency and the sound, I am thinking it could be wind related, but how is wind making its way to the cluster? It sounds just like an electronic buzzer and I noticed something that looks like a buzzer on the back of the instrument cluster when I changed some bulbs a month ago. Could this be a speed related alarm?
      It is very annoying and I don't know where to start; I appreciate any advice.
      If this does not sound familiar to anyone, perhaps I can try and create a video of the problem and post it.
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.