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I will, thanks for the advice Geoff
Well decided on the VF SC and placed a deposit on it today, I am sending it out to vf for the install. After debating it and some research I decided I would sound better than a Turbo system. With some suspension bits It may be faster than a 2010 GT3 away. Anyone have advice on increasing front a rear tire size to 235 front and 305-325 rear. I have turbo style rims on my car, don't know if they will properly take more tread width or not?
Thanks Geoff, I looked into adding the rear seats to one, cost is about 4K if it still has the mounting points, evidently the older ones do. But I will have to wait until the value of my S and the payoff are closer to each other or just simply keep what I got. In the mean time though I have been tempted by the comment I received from Cattman on 6speed online. He loves his VF SC, he said something like 530hp. Randy In Christ
Hey Geoff, does your friend's GT3 sit due to suspension roughness or is he affraid to damge it? By the way I love my S, but I am guilty of being power greedy. On the flip side, I also posted at 6speed online and one of the forum members said he added softronic, awe cats and a fabspeed air intake and he is very pleased with the results. A Gt3 may be some ego or just mechanical lust but I dreamed of racing cars for the last 30 years. Now, by the grace of God I had a taste of driving on a road corse. It was everything I dreamed it would be, and I can't wait to do it again. I been to 2 autocross events in richmond VA on the nascar track, but nothing compares to the fun of a road course. I think most of us that Porsches deep down always want more power. Still my S is the best car Ive ever had. When I was a child I dreamed of a Ferrari or Lambo, but Porsches are a slightly easier to afford. Here is a link to his review: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997/192 498-short-review-softronic-x51-awe-cats-bmc-air-filter.html I want to thank all who have replied to my post. Sorry for the bad sentace structure, but my laptop keeps moving the cursor around. Randy In Christ
Geoff, a carrera S engine would be fantastic in your car, it would flat out fly. One of the guys who run our local pca autocross has a 914 with a 3.2 in it, between his skill and his car not many can touch him on the autocross course. I am not trying to whine about my cars power, it is the best driving car I've ever owned. I would just like to get every drop of power out of it. Also I would love to try spec class racing, I know seat time equals lap times, slow is fast, Cole Trickle, Fast is Slow, but sideways is always more fun. Love the Noble/rossion Q1 and the 959. So the verdict is that I will not appreciate the driving difference on my 3.8 NA if I try to put 6-8k worth of mods on it. Thanks to all who have commented. I was not trying to insult anyone or their cars, I just always tinker with my cars some to try to make them slightly better. Randy In Christ
Honestly, I was just looking for some input from people who have done these mods. I appreciate your advice but was hoping to see some people say I modded the car and it is a waste or I did it and I am pleased with the results. I have seen a couple of posters in the past who were pleased with the mods. I would love to simply have more midrange on the motor 3500-5500 rpms. Also I was trying to see if anyone has had a good experience with TPC's systems or did the motor blow up and it was no good. I understand everyone knows the aftermarket companies lie about their dyno numbers, but the same people who always seem to tell me the mods are a waste of money seem to have them installed on their car because "it enhances the way it drives." I am not chasing mega horsepower nor do I think 15K is alot to drop into mods on a car and no I am deffinately not using revolving debt tto do it, But I traded 2 cars too close together and my current car is 40k upsidedown. I could suck it up, but my accountants would not be pleased with me if I don't wait a while for a trade and carry negative equity across to a GT3. This is my 4th Pcar, the only one I ever chipped prior was a 1991 944 S2 back in 1994, It was not a dramatic difference, but I could still feel it and it was worth the money. Is that too much to ask from a forum devoted to porsches and their drivers.
One other note number9ine I still passed the S4s, I just thought I should be blowing them away in my car.
Thanks for the input phillipj, my search for gt3 motors today told me the same thing. I know you have been burned buy a sc kit, but do we know anyone who is pleased with them? I noticed tpc now has a turbo kit and I live within three hours from them so I could have them do a complete install. I know it puts alot of strain on the motor, but I think I could replace the stock unit for under 10 k with a reman unit if it were to explode. Suncoast was selling complete reman x51s for 8k and change it would be an option but I only have 6500 miles on my motor. If the turbo is out, what do people think of the awe exhaust, carboni CAI and softtronic. Then possibly a set of bilstein pss9s and GT3 swaybars, strut braces and GT3 lower control arms. Like I said I plan on buying a GT3 in 2-3 years but I want to get all I can out of my current car in power for now, life is but a vapor. In Christ
number9ine, I understand the relative foolishness of investing in the 2008 but I do believe that I could build a gt3 or equilvelent for far less than they currently sell for, I am not sure if they use the same transmission as the S, but the coilovers could be added for $2700, it is the exact same chassis minus some performance pieces, you don't get a seam welded body untill you buy the cup car. None the less on the mod front, I have two yamaha dirt bikes, one is a wr450f the other a yz450f, both run identical motors and a high compression ratios. the wr has emmisions, a different cam and a restricted exhaust. The power difference between them is ridiculous, the wr does have more torque but the yzs horsepower just blows it away. So I don't understand why no one feels that the same can be done with these cars running an 11.3-1 compression ratio. restictive intake, headers and smog compliant fuel mapping. As to the driving, I think all will agree that driving school is a worthwhile investment, far above additional power. But you can't argue with a 8500rpm redline.
I am at an impass, went to VIR (track in danville VA) to an audi event and drove my 2008 997.1 s with a bunch of audi S4s some were heavily modified. Killed most of the cars on the corners but was dissaponted with my cars power on the straights. I looked in to trading on a 2010 GT3, but my car has way too much negative equity to trade for at least 3 years. So I am debating what I can do to upgrade the power and suspension on my car and just keep as a track car in its latter years. I know many of you don't believe that exhausts, intakes and chips are worth much, but my dirtbikes always bennefit greatly from those changes. So my question is if anyone has debated putting the motor out of a wrecked GT3 or turbo in their car? Does the GT3 share the same tranny as the S? And does anyone else like the idea of a GT3 swap. Also I noticed that TPC now has a Turbo kit for the 997 claiming 515hp. I know that Paul Speed had a bad experience with his brothers supercharger, but could that have been remedied with a better oil seperator, and could you get 50,000miles out of the motor with that mod on it. Lastly if all of the above will not work does anyone know roughly what I could expect from a carboni Cai, softronic ecu upgrade and a full exhaust (AWE?) including the high flow cats. I know most of you are sick of this topic, but your insight is greatly appreciated. I am the gut who posted a couple of months back on more power from PSE. Also does anyone know which aftermarket exhaust sounds most like the PSE, I love the sound and definately could use it even louder. Sorry for the 9million questions
Just enjoy the car and get a new a new one in the future. For the money the GT3 is the way to go...And you don't have to do anything to it... Rebuilding your engine is waste of money for what you get out of it. Not to mention mods hurt your resale value... Good Advice, thanks to all that contributed. Randy
Yeh, I don't like the sound of that. Has anyone inthe forum ported and polished their heads and throttle bodies yet or are they already close enough to not need it. The Ruf system sounds good untill you hear the price. Thanks Again Randy
Can the 2008 997s stock 3.8 block, pistons, rings, crank and connecting rods hold up to the additional pressure when the motor is running 11.8-1+- stock compression? Is the motor that substantially overbuilt that it can handle 6 or more addional psi and not blow up? Has anyone in the forum had good long term results with one, (good engine life and no check engine lights or other strange quirks?) Also what is easier on the motor, Turbo or super? I've heard that the Superchargers are more linear in their power delivery, but I have no first hand experience with high end turbos or any supercharger. Also thanks for the advice on the GT2, still sounds like fun for my right foot.
You can get a Turbo and make as much HP as you want. Philip J, are the turbos reliable or grenades waiting to go off? Just curious, the dealer has a 08 GT2 with 10k miles. Is the GT2 bearable on the street or are they too brutal for daily driving? Also on a sidenote to paul speed, called suncoast 10,110 + labor for x-51 kit, in addition they have 2 remanufactured x-51 motors, including intake and throttle body at 8750 a piece, I would jump but my motor is too new to remove or internally modify so I'm passing the info on. Thanks Randy
Thank you both for your replies. Based on your advice I believe I'll drive this one, as is for awhile. Thanks Randy.