Welcome to RennTech.org Community, Guest
There are many great features available to you once you register at RennTech.org
You are free to view posts here, but you must log in to reply to existing posts, or to start your own new topic. Like most online communities, there are costs involved to maintain a site like this - so we encourage our members to donate. All donations go to the costs operating and maintaining this site. We prefer that guests take part in our community and we offer a lot in return to those willing to join our corner of the Porsche world. This site is 99 percent member supported (less than 1 percent comes from advertising) - so please consider an annual donation to keep this site running.
Here are some of the features available - once you register at RennTech.org
- View Classified Ads
- DIY Tutorials
- Porsche TSB Listings (limited)
- VIN Decoder
- Special Offers
OBD II P-Codes
- Paint Codes
- Videos System
- View Reviews
- and get rid of this welcome message
It takes just a few minutes to register, and it's FREE
Contributing Members also get these additional benefits:
(you become a Contributing Member by donating money to the operation of this site)
- No ads - advertisements are removed
- Access the Contributors Only Forum
- Contributing Members Only Downloads
- Send attachments with PMs
- All image/file storage limits are substantially increased for all Contributing Members
- Option Codes Lookup
- VIN Option Lookups (limited)
I 1000% hear what you are saying, but in this case the local dealer will have to trade one of their cars for this car, as its not currently local. And i'd feel like a bit of an arse if they went to all that work and I said "nope, rides bad", so I thought i'd ask for two pennies from whomever. I like the ride of the Boxster S's, 986 or 987. Comparing the 986S to 986, honestly, I think the S rides better on bad roads, which has always perplexed me.
Hi Renntech, My Boxster shopping continues after the 986 I purchased proved to have some issues... the dealership took it back. I am now considering an orange limited edition Boxster S, one of which is available to me. Does this car ride as well as a Boxster S with 18" wheels, or if anyone has experience and a ride penalty does exist, how severe is it? thanks
From St. Cloud to the Twin Cities, 100 miles around Mpls, much in thick traffic, then more highway driving... 271 miles total, 10.63 gallons of gas, 25.5 mpg overall. That piqued my curiosity, as I'd expected something much worse, so I filled again after getting home, and that was 83 miles on 2.68 gallons of gas = 31mpg at 70mph on the highway. This is 'vette territory for mileage, and I'm thrilled with the '03 Box S in this regard. The '02 standard Boxster that I had never pulled 30 on the highway.
I harbor some first-year-of-new-model anxieties too, in general. :) There is quite a list of TSB's for the '05s, which I found via google. Still, the best deal/options list on a 987 i've found in shopping is on an '05 and its 33% less $$ than a new one with the same setup (and I can have it before fall). Ahh the joys and miseries of car shopping. :)
Well my desires for ideally, a 986 with heated seats, bose, and PSM are a bit challenged this morning. A white '03 Boxster S that is in better condition than any used car I have ever seen arrived at the nearest Porsche dealer for a great price. The paint is showroom, and the interior almost doesn't show any of the wrinkle-lines that leather inevitably shows with age. But no PSM. :( In the next couple of days I'll pick between that and a great '05 with all the options under the sun (nav, sport chrono plus, PASM). And probably deal with another round of buyers anxiety revolving around just getting an '08 'Vette instead of a Box...
I'm probably going to stripe my car when I get one. The new Cayman special edition has matte black stripes on a gloss black car (at least that combo was present at the local dealer), and that looks nice. Something ... but very subtle.
Pardon me if this is a dense question, but what does (see TSBs) mean? >>edit<< Technical Service Bulliten, got it. :) From consumer reports, the '05 cars have the top rating, we'll call it 5 stars, in the reliability history table except for fuel systems, where they are 2 stars, 3 stars in "engine minor", and 4 stars in electrical. The '06 cars have 2 stars in cooling system, 4 stars in fuel system, and otherwise 5 stars. The overal rating for reliability expecation for '05 cars is 3 stars, 4 stars for '06. For whatever reason - and take the CR data for what its worth - the '03 cars are the worst.
Hey, these are more good thoughts. I had a conversation last week with a gent who suggested that i'd be doing myself a favor if i learned to drive at a track without the electronic babysitters. He suggested that they can retard learning and promote a mediocre skillset. I don't doubt that thats a valid statement, but having PSM makes sense to me as you can always turn it off for learning/fun if/when I advance as a driver. But in general I think its reasonable to assume that I'll start out very not-advanced as a driver and I live up north where the last snowfall was just a few weeks ago... Its kind of a bummer to decide that PSM is a should-have option, as that is one great looking '00 Boxster S. Oh well. thanks all. decisions are so much work sometimes!
Hi all, thanks for the input. That deter.com article was pretty interesting. Well, its pretty safe to assume that i'm not going to be the great driver that can do better than PSM anytime soon. :) And if, when its off, it only comes back on under a set of circumstances (panic driving or trail-braking, with which i'm not familiar) in which its likely that my non-expert driver self wants it on, it sounds like a good option to have under spirited driving conditions, and its obviously good to have on slick roads, which my part of the country is prone to having. So PSM it is. I wonder if they've improved the system for the 987 relative to the 986? thanks again.
Hi all, I'm shopping for a topless sports car (previously had an '02 non-S boxster), with the primary emphasis on getting another Boxster. I've found 2 really great cars - one a 2000 Boxster S (black/black, Nav, awesome rims, in good shape, had it inspected, Nav, etc.) and a 2005 Boxster S (tons of options low miles, good price, also black). I have a few thoughts on the two cars. The '05 is undeniably nicer, and still has some warranty, etc. But some aspects of the 986 are preferable to me... I find it a bit more comfortable, and while the interior isn't as nice as the newer car in the generic sense, I think I enjoy it more. In the 987 I miss the door lock button being on the dash (which makes no sense, but adds an element of the exotic, perhaps), the heated seats buttons being on the console -vs- by the climate controls like every other car. I miss the cubby hole in the back between the seats - again the 987 having a normally located cubby hole is just less fun. Its a porsche, not a Civic, not everybody is familiar with them, and those idiosyncrasies add to the fun. The 986, Vette, or even S2000, honestly, capture that "exotic" feel inside a bit better than the 987 IMO. Beyond that, the extra power of the '05 isn't wildly valuable to me as I'm a novice track driver and whichever car I choose will be the first one that I try autocross with (i do plan on giving it a try, I'm a big offroad motorsports fan, and some track driving might be a blast). The price of the cars is very different, with the '05 costing far more, but the '05 is priced more favorably relative to book value and doesn't need new tires, and I drove a few 911's before deciding the Boxster was more fun to me... So lets throw money out of the equation. I go back and forth and drive myself crazy debating between the simplicity of the 986 and the niceness of the 987. There's something to be said for owning less-nice vehicles. Speaking from my offroad experiences, it can be alot more fun to own a crusty old Wrangler with a lift and some lockers than a brand new vehicle. Ding it on a rock and it adds character, you joke about it over beers and its a fun experience, ding a brand new truck and you feel like you lost something. I don't know if that feeling would translate to track driving, or normal day-to-day wihpping around backroads or not. But never mind all that. Why I really wanted to post is to ask how 986 owners feel about PSM. The '00 Boxster i mentioned above doesn't have it, my old '02 did. I thought it was a nice addition to the car, and I'm wondering if I'd regret not having it if I purchased the '00. In the rain, or if driving the car very hard, is PSM an arse-saver? Perhaps someone has with/without experience on a 986... thanks, Green