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And the maintenance burdens that car manufacturers have put in these new cars has made it more difficult to do it yourself. I am not for throwing money away. In fact, it is my job to reduce costs. But at the same time, I have to look at the cost of time and risk to cost and the difference is negligible. Congratulations on maintaining your 13 year old C4S but frankly I don't have the time to climb under my car, possibly cause an issue that the dealer is goign to have to fix (where they can gouge you) and still have to go in to the dealer to reset the computer. My time $$$ are better spent elsewhere. And I am sure on that car it is easier to do. Frankly, it's not worth my time to do it and when you come down to the time researching, buying the parts and climbing under the vehicle. I would rather be out driving the car. I apologise for missing you mentioning that you have been to the VW dealer. With the negligible difference in price in having them doign it and you doign it yourself, why wouldn't you have them do the service? I would say piece of mind if somehting happened and I have had a dealer garage strip drain plugs. In fact, when it was in last the scratched the car and made good on the repair, no questions asked. And I have dealt with Porsche of Tyson's and have never seen those prices quoted. It sounds like ala carte quotes instead of the 5K or 10K service and of course they are going to charge you more. I deal with two of the most hoity toity dealers in the country and they treat me better than that. They charged me $35 difference between the 5K and 10K for the water filter, not $300. Someone said they got charged $100 for an AdBlue fillup. 12 quarts cost me $14.23 during the service. And they threw in an alignment at no charge. It looks like they didn't want your business. And frankly, it's not all BS. Is it cheap? No. Compared to maintaining an Aston Martin, it's a bargin. The dealership has to pay licenses and fees to Porsche for use of their software and diagnostic tools which they are going to check out when they do the service. And before you make the arguement, I am fully aware of the costs associated and know what independant shops need to go through to obtain it. It's more than just an oil change and you get the dealer stamp that it was completed properly. Again, it seems like there are people that don't want to pay the costs associated with owning a luxury car.
This is utter BS pure and simple. I'm sorry, but it is.The engine is absolutely the same engine that is used in the T-Reg and Q7 TDIs here in the US. It's just ECU tweaks and a few other minor modifications (none that are going to impact oil changes). Additionally as long as you follow Porsche's procedures and use approved parts (oil and filter), you still have your warranty if something goes wrong. They aren't going to replace your oil pan if you over torque the drain plug and strip it, but as long as you can show you used the correct oil and followed the correct procedures federal law prevents them from denying your warranty unless they can absolutely prove something you did was at fault. There is also absolutely no excuse for the "overhead" Porsche dealers are charging for oil changes on these things. My area ranges from $375 to $675 for the 5k at the Porsche dealers. I did it myself for <$100 including a few tools I didn't have and just had the 10k oil change done at a VW dealer for a whopping $112! The only reason for Porsche dealers obscene prices is greed and people's stupidity to believe that a oil change on these cars is some how special. Draining the water from the fuel filter (part of the 10k) is also an insanely easy process that requires a ~$90 tool (if you use the VAG extractor vs a generic one) and an hour if you go slow about it (now that I've done it 30 minutes is easily doable). I talked to one Porsche dealer and they wanted $300 for that on top of the $425 they wanted for the 10k oil change. The VW dealer would have done it for $120 (the procedure is apparently different than on the T-Reg and they weren't sure if they could still do it in 30 minutes). I'm all for using and supporting your dealer, but not to the point of being absolutely robbed for the "privilege". Seriously? You buy a $60,000 car, in my case, $81,000 car and you are complaining about paying for a $350 oil change? If it's the same engine and everything, maybe you should have bought the Toureg or Q7 and put the difference and cost to maintenance. Sounds like you can't afford the car if you can justify the purchase price and not the maint. You are paying for the brand and the overhead of these dealerships having to deal with nitpickers coming in and telling them how to work on the car. It's a luxury car. You didn't think you had to pay the luxury price to maintain it? Here's and idea, why don't you take it to the VW dealer for the oil change. They will do it.